Overall, public sentiment regarding India's suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty with Pakistan is largely supportive, driven by nationalistic sentiments and concerns over terrorism. Many express strong feelings about the need to prioritize national security and assert control over water resources, while others raise concerns about the humanitarian implications and potential escalation of tensions. There is a mix of pride in India's actions coupled with significant skepticism regarding the decision's long-term impacts on regional stability and water security.

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NymusRaed

Hopefully no war comes of this, both Nations wield Atomic Weapons and are densely populated.

thatsocialist

jeffreycoley

Context:

The Indus Water Treaty is a treaty signed by the early leaders of India and Pakistan to share the waters of the Indus River System, after the First Kashmir War and the LOC (Line of Control) drawn to separate the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

Pakistan consists of 4 provinces:- Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Balochistan, Sindh and Punjab. Of these, Sindh and Punjab are the population centres (by a huge margin), which are the major areas of the Indus valley. The Indus Valley is irrigated by the Indus river, and its 5 tributaries.

The term Punjab refers to the land of 5 rivers. These are the 5 eastern tributaries of the Indus, namely (from west to east) the Jhelum, the Chenab, the Ravi, the Beas and the Sutlej. In some ways, these 5 rivers and the cultures of the lands irrigated by these rivers have been more prominent/significant in Indic history than the Indus river itself, especially the post Vedic age.

The Indus Water Treaty deemed that the 3 western rivers of the system; the Indus, the Jhelum and the Chenab belong fully to Pakistan, and all its waters, although the rivers all begin in Jammu and Kashmir (Indian control).

Meanwhile, the eastern rivers; Ravi, Beas and Sutlej all belong to India. The Ravi, Beas and Sutlej all begin/run through the Indian state of Himachal Pradesh (not disputed). The Sutlej starts in Tibet but most of its water catchment is in Himachal Pradesh anyway. The Ravi is the border between Jammu and Kashmir and Punjab (India) and Himachal Pradesh.

However, the catch is that of the 6 rivers, 80% of the water of the entire Indus system comes from the 3 western rivers. For a long time before the current Nationalist government in India, subsequent Indian governments have honored this agreement despite its extreme detriment to India.

The Jhelum begins in Kashmir valley, while the Chenab begins in upper Himachal but passes through major areas of the Jammu region later on. Both the Jhelum and Chenab river valleys are inhabited mostly by ethnic Kashmiris, all of which is under India. 

Kashmiri farmers are unable to rely on their own rivers due to the Indus Water Treaty, and India can build no dams on these 2 rivers to help Kashmiri farmers. The revocation of the Indus Water Treaty in India's view, will be good for Kashmiris (especially Kashmiri farmers) but bad for Pakistani Punjabis, whose agriculture relies on these rivers. Moreover, India cant divert these rivers out of Kashmir anyway since theres a mountain range between this region and the rest of India (Pir Panjal range).

Yesterday, the Pahalgam terror attack took place, where terrorists exclusively killed 25 Hindu tourists (plus one Muslim local who tried to help them) after checking IDs, asking them to recite the Kalma to prove if they are Muslim or not, and even asking them to pull their pants down to check for circumcision (Muslims are circumcised, Hindus are not).

The revocation of the Indus Water Treaty is a response to this Pakistani terror attack, among others like the closing of the Attari border, and the reduction of ambassadors. Pakistani citizens in India are given 48 hours to leave India right now.

Note: TRF (The Resistance Front), an offshoot of the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) has claimed responsibility for the attack. LeT operated from within Pakistan and funds and launches terrorist attacks within India and the Indian side of Jammu and Kashmir.

Hydroscorpio_18

like how Hyderabad is just chilling there.....

AnimatorPlayful6587

Vibes seem pretty chill in that area of the world

Col_mac

![gif](giphy|3xHuwHnHmv1zW|downsized)

India and Afghanistan to Pakistan now

Nice_Leopard_7135

Can someone give a synopsis please? I'm unfamiliar with this treaty and its ramifications.

joustswindmills

US preferring Pakistan over India during the Cold war was a mistake.

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I’m not even trying to be against india’s claim over kashmir here but at least when talking about control of waterways it would be more appropriate for a map to show the actual line of control instead of claims? 

Thats what makes a good map, one that shows information useful to that its intending to present.

Los-Stupidos

Just one question how they are going to implement it... I mean how will they divert water and where

vishalsharmaa22

Iron-Phoenix2307

Organic_Group3352

Other country's: have a military.

Pakistan:Military has a contury.

The map should really have de facto control of Kashmir rather than India's claim for a post like this.

BootsAndBeards

India and their habit of showing others territory as their own.

KidJuggernaut

India tried to amend the treaty. Pakistan said no.

India be like, “ok, we’ll do it our way”.

Starts a false flag operation, blames Pakistan within minutes, blocks the water as a form of revenge.


lol what a bozo of a nation.

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Is it just me or coalition or minority governments are more aggressive in their response to terrorism ? 

Even atal bihari vajpayee had a minority coalition when kargil war happened 

And even now , BJP is more aggressive now than in 2019 and 2014

CartographerOwn3656

With all due respect its nothing just a Publicity Stunned By Government Of India everone 
should study indus water treaty it can't be broken until both parties agree Depositary of this treaty is world bank its not a tap of water which someone can turn on and off

FunctionFew1561

While treaty has been suspended. Actual water is still not diverted out stopped. For that we need dams. This is just diplomacy.

neon5k

What does this mean? India doesn't even have the infrastructure on our side to stop the flow of water, like this article is making it out to be

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Apprehensive-Art4225

We don't even need a war, this is more than enough

Honest-Back5536

Realfire123

We dont know if all the infrastructure is ready yet to halt paks water (If not ready, dams will take years to get constructed) and ofc halting the water directly would just flood j&amp;k (already cloudburst in jammu). 

From what I read, shahpur Kandi dam has been constructed since 2018, and the work is almost complete earlier this year (fast track after pulwama). 

After Pulwama, India did push projects like the Shahpur Kandi dam (on the Ravi river) and the Ujh project to move faster. But even now, we’re not fully sure if these dams can actually hold back water or if they’re just for making electricity, which is allowed under the Indus Waters Treaty. (Capacity testing is underway)

 Plus the mediator is World Bank, so we can get some pressure from them as well. Not to forget china's control over brahmaputra and Pak's relations with china. 

Not against breaking the treaty, but I hope the government has taken all these factors under consideration and planned a good strategy and is not bluffing like they did during pulwama. 

This treaty had stayed intact for 7 decades of wars and attacks. Would be interesting to see if it's actually revoked and how the action is taken.

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BoysenberryUnique115

Good start, only thing is how China reacts with Brahmaputra.  

Hope its just the beginning, more about to come.

UrbanCruiserHyryder

What is stopping water going to achieve?

They stopped water, people are dying. We Pakistani govt care so much for our citizens, let's stop terrorism?

If there would be water crisis, it is going to affect poorest of poor. Not the terrorists, not the govt.

reddittauser

well dams take 5-6 year + to make but canals don't.. india can fast track multiple canals to divert the water flow in a year with proper engineering.. it would help north western agricultural a lot, along with support industries.. i am waiting to see if it really becomes cancelled or just some gimmick because if it gets cancelled then it will be an incredibly good blow to terrorist pakistan

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The government also called an all party-meeting for tomorrow. 

Defense minister and home minister to speak and address.

Griffindor-69

The all party meeting looks like serious shit.

arghyaghosh0104

Here are 5 major announcements made by the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA):

**Suspension of Indus Waters Cooperation**: India has suspended the Indus Waters Treaty, under which 39 billion cubic meters of water from the Indus River system flows from India into Pakistan annually. The treaty, which governs the sharing of river waters between the two countries, has long been considered a symbol of cooperation even amid years-long conflict.

**Closure of Attari-Wagah Border**: The iconic Attari-Wagah land crossing, a critical point for trade and people-to-people contact between India and Pakistan, has been shut down with immediate effect.

**Ban on Pakistani Nationals Entering India**: The entry of Pakistani citizens into India has been suspended indefinitely. This includes both visa services and cross-border travel permits.

**Expulsion of Military Advisors**: All military advisors posted at the Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi have been expelled, signalling a downgrade in military-to-military diplomatic engagement.

**Reduction of High Commission Staff Strength**: India has asked Pakistan to reduce its diplomatic presence in New Delhi to a skeletal staff of 30, effectively slashing the mission's current operating capacity of 55

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Knight-Peace

If terrorists are not held accountable, they will attack again because they know they can get away with it.

The-M0untain

As India is the upper riparian country, it had all the cards, and Pakistan depends on the Indus Valley Basin for a majority of its domestic needs. The treaty was not at all favorable to India, but the then Prime Minister Nehru went ahead with it, thinking that it would help foster some cooperation with Pakistan. Obviously, that never happened. India and Pakistan have gone to war four times after it, along with multiple skirmishes over the decades, but India has upheld its part of the deal throughout.


In 2019, after the Pulwama terror attack, India, which was using only 14% of its mandated 20%, started using the full 20% of its own share, which Pakistan didn’t like. Now, there are talks of suspending the treaty entirely. 


The Indus Water Treaty does not have an exit clause as it was meant to last indefinitely. Generally, India has a good reputation for honoring its treaties, but I wonder on what basis it could get out of this one. Without an exit clause, it’s difficult, but following the maxim rebus sic stantibus, a party may no longer be bound by a contract if there has been a fundamental change in the circumstances that existed at the time it was signed, though the claim is tenuous. Or by mutual consent of both countries, though i don't see that happening. 


Though this is an existential threat to Pakistan, realistically India cannot do much to divert much of the water immediately. It would take 10-15 years to do that. 

Affectionate_Bee6432

This should have been taken long back. Good that the government has paused the treaty. 
In reality i think it would take years to build dams and to divert flow, but India should not back down and should keep it as is.

saw_nick

Was about to post the story!

Glad you did it first!

It's a very substantial development as Indus water treaty is a major pact between the two countries that hadn't been touched.

Pakistan is a failed military state masquerading as an 'Ally to the west Democratic nation'. Situations are certainly starting to stirr up. Water is a very precious commodity in Pakistan owing to the extensive irrigation policies from British Era till now.

I think we may see further rising in tensions between these two states, with this being the accelerator.

Holy Fuck

Hrit33

I wonder if this is just posturing or will they actually stop the water to Pakistan?

Shubh_K30

armchairphilosipher

is there a way to verify that India will actually stop or divert water flow to Pakistan ? 

current suspension means basically no data sharing, no 'obligation' to share the water under the treaty.


Asking because if they actually do what they say, we should see Pakistan crying to China and potentially resulting in upstream water from China getting siphoned.

theenigma017

&gt;India has suspended the Indus Waters Treaty, under which 39 billion cubic meters of water from the Indus River system flows from India annually.

It's really shocking that we're at this point. Truly... It's just so sad to see what's happened, to be honest. I mean, the fact that the Indus Waters Treaty, which has been a symbol of cooperation for so long, has had to be suspended... well, it just shows how grave the situation is. It's a necessary move, of course, protecting our citizens is paramount, and it's incredibly concerning how this has unfolded. A lot of us are just praying for peace and safety now. I hope things improve quickly.

Tremenda-Carucha

That’s it? Israel sent Palestine back to Stone Age when they attacked civilians

Minute_Tea3754

All party meeting called. RIP PAK (1947-2025)

Murky_Code_

another exciting step on the way to global collapse, war and devastation.

this time, we'll get to watch it all live, wearing our favorite team's colors.

seattle_lib

ArtNo6305

The indus water, ik it's a dumb question but how would india stop it suddenly? Like the treaty had restricted india on building dams though and even if india starts building it would take months and year.

I am genuinely curious because I don't think it will affect them overnight but surely it would affect Pakistan in later.

( pleasw don't downvote me I am just a curious person so yeah I would appreciate your reply 😭😭)

Gullible_Ad_1395

Bearish on pakistan long term. They’re gonna get ecologically decimated slowly over the course of decades.

Western_Context8987

Wow yet another war. The world really can’t get a break huh.

kingOofgames

Extra-Beginning-5927

I can't imagine the consequences of India's attack on Pakistan. To be honest, the various problems exposed by the Indian army are really speechless. Submarines were detonated in their own ports, military aircraft crashed regularly, and the logistics system was poor and corrupt. Such an army has almost no combat effectiveness. Why can't Indians live in peace with their neighbors? You have terrible relations with almost all your neighbors, and your military capabilities are not enough to deter them. Can you solve all this in a peaceful way? China is watching all this, please don't act rashly.

One-Conflict2062

Is there any evidence Pakistan was behind the attack? Kashmir is a delicate place on the best of days, it could well have been a domestic Islamist group.

seasidepeaks

India's Union Home Minister Amit Shah has confirmed that the country will not restore the Indus Waters Treaty with Pakistan, a key agreement established in 1960 for water sharing. This decision follows a terrorist attack in April which India linked to Pakistan and subsequently led to the suspension of the treaty. India plans to divert water previously allocated to Pakistan for domestic use, asserting this move is justified due to ongoing cross-border terrorism.

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